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2. The Salmon Five Point Approach

Q2.2a. To what extent do you agree with the summary of the current state of salmon stocks and the supporting information provided in Appendix 2?

Please select one item
Wholly
Partially
Ticked Not at all
Please give your reasons and any evidence you have to support your answer.
This is in my opinion a typical voluminous report, produced, no doubt at great expense by highly educated academics who appear to consider the length of a document is the measure of its importance. It says much about little of consequence and does not, (in my uneducated opinion) begin to address the simple problem, which is, There are very few salmon in our rivers which along with declining sea trout numbers is a serious problem. I have not caught a salmon in North Wales (Dee and Clwyd rivers) for 9 years now, so catch and release will hardly affect me! I have however listen to speaker after speaker, usually with a degree and little affection for fishing, but lots of affection for water voles, cormorants, ducks and "brash bank protection"! Free access to rivers for canoeing, swimming is of far greater importance than the interests of the fishing fraternity, notwithstanding the huge amounts of money paid by anglers for their fishing licences. In my opinion (which I am aware will be of no importance whatsoever to NRA ) there is a clear political agenda here which pays lip service only to the interests of anglers. This massive report does nothing to improve matters. if anything it only furthers the interests non angling persons/organisations

3. Deciding which salmon stocks need further protection

Q3.2a. To what extent do you agree that a salmon stock should be subject to additional protection from net/fixed engine and rod exploitation if it is classified as either At Risk or Probably at Risk of failing to meet its Management Objective?

Please select one item
Ticked Wholly
Partially
Not at all

4. Review of existing National Salmon Byelaws

Q4.2a. Do you agree with the proposal to renew without amendments the existing National Salmon Byelaws to protect spring salmon stocks?

Please select one item
Wholly
Ticked Partially
Not at all

5.2. Possible options for salmon net and fixed engine fisheries - across England and the Border Esk

Q5.2a (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). If you were no longer able to fish for salmon or sea trout, what would be the consequences for you?

Please provide us with details of both financial and cultural (i.e. traditions within your community and / or how you spend time within your local environment). Ideally, please use the last 5 years of income to support your answer.
I would no longer spend money at the local tackle shop Redacted text I would spend more time fishing in Ireland on the Blackwater and May. I would no longer meet up with friends and colleagues at local pubs and restaurants before and after fishing, Redacted text etc etc I would of course no longer need to buy a licence (something I am thinking of doing at present anyway) I assume that NRA is not concerned at the loss of income to the local economy or even loss of licence income as their employment status will be unaffected.

Q5.2b (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). What are the opportunities for you to fish for other species if you could no longer fish for salmon or sea trout (e.g. white fish or crustaceans)?

If there are any please provide us with an estimated breakdown of the costs you would incur to switch to a different target species. Please indicate whether you would need to purchase quotas / different equipment.
n/a

Q5.2c (This is for businesses that are supplied with wild salmon and sea trout from English and Border Esk fisheries). Please provide details of the impact of stopping the supply of salmon and sea trout from the English fisheries that you buy from.

These impacts could be either financial and / or social. Ideally, please use the last 5 years of income to support your answer.
n/a

Q5.2d (This is for net and fixed engine fishermen). Please provide any other options for reducing the exploitation of salmon by your fishery that you would like us to consider.

Please provide details of these and why you would find them preferable to the possible options set out in Section 5.2: Table 2.
n/a

Q5.2e (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). Do you consider that your fishing gear and how it is fished enables salmon to be released alive immediately after capture?

If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
n/a

Q5.2g (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). Do you currently release salmon as a result of existing controls on your fishery?

If yes, please provide us with details of why this is.
n/a

Q5.2h (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). What type of gear do you use when fishing for salmon and/or sea trout? Please provide details.

Please provide details of the gear that you use.
n/a

Q5.2i (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). Do you consider that your fishing gear and how it is fished enables salmon to be released with minimal damage?

Please provide us with information of the type of damage (e.g. scale loss or fin damage) that you see on the fish that you catch.
n/a

Q5.2j (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). Would altering your gear make it easier to release and/or cause less damage to salmon?

Please provide details and an estimate of the cost if you consider this an option.
n/a

Q5.2k (This question is for net and fixed engine fishermen). If you could release salmon and continue to take the sea trout that you catch would you continue to fish for sea trout?

If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
n/a

Q5.2l (This is for businesses that are supplied with wild salmon and sea trout from English and Border Esk fisheries). Please provide details of the impact of stopping the supply of salmon only from the English and Border Esk fisheries that you buy from.

These impacts could be either financial and/or social/cultural. Ideally, please use the last 5 years of income to support your answer.
n/a

Q5.2m (this question is for both businesses and net and fixed engine fishermen that are supplied with / catch wild salmon and sea trout from Fisheries in England and on the Border Esk). If fishing for salmon was required to cease, is there a date later than 2018 that would be economically easier to work towards?

Please provide details of why a later date would reduce the impact of closure. These impacts could be either financial and/or social/cultural.
n/a

Q5.2n (this question is for both businesses and net and fixed engine fishermen that are supplied with / catch wild salmon and sea trout from Fisheries in England and on the Border Esk). How long do you consider the measures covering a fishery should be in place for?

Please provide details of why you have given this answer.
n/a

5.4. All consultees' views sought on the options for net and fixed engine fisheries

Q5.4b (This question is for all consultees to answer and is in reference to the answer that you have given to Q5.4a). What are the benefits, if there are any, which you would see from your preferred option for net and fixed engine fisheries?

These could be economic as well as social/cultural, please provide details if you are able.
n/a

Q5.4c (Seeking all consultees' views on the options for net and fixed engine fisheries in England and on the Border Esk (except North East Coast Net Fishery)). How long do you consider the measures covering a net and / or fixed engine fishery should be in place for?

Please provide details of why you have given this answer.
n/a

Q5.4d (Seeking all consultees' views on the options for the North East Coast Net Fishery). Which is your preferred option for the North East Coast Net Fishery as set out in Section 5.3: Table 3?

Please provide details of why you have given this answer.
n/a
If you would like to suggest a different approach and your reasons for suggesting it, please do so here.
n/a

Q5.4e (This question is for all consultees to answer and is in reference to the answer you have given to Q5.4d). What are the benefits, if there are any, which you would see from your preferred option for the North East Coast Net Fishery?

These could be economic as well as social/cultural, please provide details if you are able.
n/a

6.2. Possible options for rod fisheries - catch and release of salmon

Q6.2a (This question is for all consultees to answer and we are seeking your views on the possible options that have been developed). Which is your preferred option for the catch and release of salmon by rod fisheries from those that are set out in Section 6.2: Table 6?

Please select one item
Option 1
Option 2
Option 3
Option 4
Ticked I don't have a preferred option
Please provide details of why you have given this answer.
I do not have a preferred option as I consider that none of these options by themselves has any chance of success as they completely ignore (deliberately?) the underlying problems
If you don't have a preferred option, please tell us if there is another approach that you consider that we should be taking and why.
Why bother when NRW have absolutely no intention of listening to the views of those parties who disagree with NRW?

Q6.2b (This questions is for all consultees to answer and is in reference to the answer that you have given to Q6.2a). What are the benefits, if there are any, which you would see from your preferred option for the catch and release of salmon by rod fisheries?

These could be economic as well as social/cultural, please provide details if you are able.
Of course there are economic, social and cultural effects. What a strange question!

Q6.2c (We would like to seek all consultees' views on the use of a voluntary (as opposed to mandatory) approach to deliver increased levels of catch and release). Do you agree with using a voluntary approach to deliver improved catch and release of salmon by rod fisheries?

If no or don't know, please explain your answer and include any dis-benefits that you consider the use of voluntary catch and release would bring.
Not answering this question as it does not address the fundamental problem A very crude question phrased deliberately to exclude the real reason for declining salmon stocks

Q6.2d (If you answered yes to Q6.2c please answer these questions). Do you support the proposed levels of voluntary catch and release for rivers whose salmon populations are either At Risk, Probably at Risk or Probably Not at Risk (see Section 6.2: Table 6: Option 4)?

If you wish, please provide us with what you think the levels of voluntary catch and release should be and the reasons for your answers.
ditto as above

Q6.2e (If you answered yes to Q6.2c please also answer this question). What are the benefits that you would see in voluntary catch and release?

These could be economic as well as social/cultural, please provide details if you are able.
No benefit unless part of a meaningful exercise which encompasses all other factors which have been deliberately excluded. (The more this questionnaire develops, the more I question its purpose)

Q6.2f (This question is for all consultees). Would you support the voluntary catch and release of all salmon caught (100%) on rivers whose salmon populations are either?

Please select one item
At Risk
At Risk and Probably at Risk
At Risk, Probably at Risk and Probably Not at Risk
Ticked I would not support the voluntary catch and release of all salmon caught
If you wish, please provide us with the reason for your answer.
No benefit unless part of a meaningful exercise which encompasses all other factors which have been deliberately excluded.

Q6.2g (This question is for salmon anglers). Would you stop fishing for salmon if the proposed levels of catch and release were implemented (see Section 6.2: Table 6)?

Please tell us which river(s) you fish for salmon on.
Dee Elwy Clwyd

Q6.2h (This question is for salmon anglers). Would you consider moving to a river where lower levels of catch and release were required?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for your answer.
Already have done Now spending more time on River North Tyne, Echaig in Scotland and May in Ireland as constant pollution of Clwyd/Elwy continues without serious policing by NRW

6.3. Possible options for rod fisheries - improving survival of released salmon (voluntary measures)

Q6.3a (This question is for all consultees to answer and is about the best practice recommendations for catch and release). Do you agree with the catch and release best practice recommendations?

Please select one item
Yes, all of them
Some of them
Ticked None of them
I don't know
If you wish, please tell us which of them you agree/disagree with and provide us with further information to support your answer.
No benefit unless part of a meaningful exercise which encompasses all other factors which have been deliberately excluded.

Q6.3c (This question is for all consultees to answer and is about other ways that you might improve salmon surviving capture). Are there any other catch and release best practice recommendations that you feel should be included?

Please select one item
Yes
No
Ticked I don't know

6.4. Possible options for rod fisheries - improving survival of released salmon (mandatory measures)

Q6.4a (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that having a landing net available to use should be required by byelaw whilst fishing for salmon or sea trout in England and Border Esk?

Please select one item
Yes
No
Ticked I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
no strong views

Q6.4b (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that a landing net used when fishing for salmon and sea trout should be required by byelaw to have a maximum mesh size of 20mm (as measured across the widest point of the stretched mesh)?

Please select one item
Yes
No
Ticked I don't know
Please tell us if you think this mesh size should be different from this and why.
no strong views

Q6.4c (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that the use of barbed hooks should be prohibited by byelaw when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?

Please select one item
Yes
No
Ticked I don't know
What would the impact, if any, be for you or your business of prohibiting the use of barbed hooks when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?
no strong views

Q6.4d (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that the use of treble hooks should be prohibited by byelaw when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?

Please select one item
Yes, all should be banned
Yes, but only large treble hooks greater than size 8 should be banned
No, these should not be banned
Ticked I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this view and if you think that large treble hooks of a different size than greater than size 8 should be banned.
no strong views

Q6.4e (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that the use of circle hooks should be mandatory by byelaw when using worm as bait when fishing for salmon or sea trout?

Please select one item
Yes
No
Ticked I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
no strong views

Q6.4f (This question is for all consultees). Should there be restriction on the use of Flying ‘Cs’ when fishing for salmon or sea trout?

Please select one item
Yes, Flying ‘Cs’ should be banned
Yes, Flying ‘Cs’ should only be allowed with single hooks
No, restrictions should not apply to the use of Flying ‘Cs’
Ticked I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
no strong views

Q6.4g (This question is for all consultees). In your opinion, are there other types of equipment that should be prohibited by byelaw when fishing for salmon and sea trout?

Please select one item
Yes
No
Ticked I don't know
Please provide details of what these could be and why you think they should be prohibited or altered.
no strong views

7. Further comments

Q7 (This is for all consultees). Please tell us if you have any further comments that you would like to provide on this consultation.

Please provide your further comments here.
I consider that after reading this voluminous report that this adds very little if anything to the debate. In my opinion, the writers of this questionnaire have clearly settled views on how they see the future of salmon/sea trout in our rivers. I suspect that the interests of anglers fall well down the list of the authors concern in this respect. As a professional person I have come across so many of these reports which are little more than job creation exercises, taking huge numbers of women/men hours with the sole purpose of being able to extrapolate those statistic that will justify pre conceived views. This may sound very negative, however how can any sane person/body ever claim to be genuinely concerned with declining fish stocks, when that same person/ body actually eliminates the one sure way of improving salmon stocks, i.e. The Dee Hatchery!! I really do feel that I have just wasted about 2-3 hours of my time reading through a magnificently prepared academic paper which appears to have been prepared to further the (possibly politically helming) views of the authors, who have INMO no intention of listening to contrary views from their own, and who have omitted (possibly deliberately) opening subjects that might embarrass their own personal views, i.e. the closure of the Dee Salmon Hatchery.