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2. The Salmon Five Point Approach

Q2.2a. To what extent do you agree with the summary of the current state of salmon stocks and the supporting information provided in Appendix 2?

Please select one item
Ticked Wholly
Partially
Not at all

3. Deciding which salmon stocks need further protection

Q3.2a. To what extent do you agree that a salmon stock should be subject to additional protection from net/fixed engine and rod exploitation if it is classified as either At Risk or Probably at Risk of failing to meet its Management Objective?

Please select one item
Wholly
Ticked Partially
Not at all
Please give your reasons and any evidence you have to support your answer. If you would like to provide us with an alternative approach then please do so.
I don't think the bodies in charge of the protection measures realise just what a valuable asset the rod and line fisheries are when it come to providing protection. Without successful rod and line fisheries I fear the Salmon would be in a worse state. Personally, as a angler of 35 years of my 41, I feel that we are constantly been made out as the target. I am lost for words how the people put in charge of the stocks and at government level can sit back and allow the decline to happen. How can I encourage my own children in to this fantastic past time, when there is no real plan being put in place to identify the real issues, which most anglers are fully aware of!

4. Review of existing National Salmon Byelaws

Q4.2a. Do you agree with the proposal to renew without amendments the existing National Salmon Byelaws to protect spring salmon stocks?

Please select one item
Ticked Wholly
Partially
Not at all
Please give your reasons and any evidence you have to support your answer.
I think the Spring Salmon Byelaws are working well as they are. OK we have a percentage of the anglers who will not fish before June 16th, but as we know they are the ones who wish to retain fish., so no real loss there. It is however important to keep some anglers fishing Pre-June 16th so as to help be a presence on the riverbank etc.. The only issue is if fish are damaged and have to be returned, but I don't see a way around this or it will be abused by the tiny minority. Keep the bylaw the same in my opinion.

5.4. All consultees' views sought on the options for net and fixed engine fisheries

Q5.4a (Seeking all consultees' views on the options for net and fixed fisheries in England and on the Border Esk (except North East Coast Net Fishery Options)). Which is your preferred option for net and fixed engine fisheries as set out in Section 5.2: Table 2?

Please select one item
Option 1
Option 2
Option 3
Option 4
Ticked I don't have a preferred option
Please provide details of why you have given this answer.
Net and fixed net fisheries have no real place in today's state of reduced fish stocks. They provide no financial gain other than to the nets person themselves. Keeping them in service due to the historical value is now no longer a justifiable reason for them to continue in my opinion!

6.2. Possible options for rod fisheries - catch and release of salmon

Q6.2a (This question is for all consultees to answer and we are seeking your views on the possible options that have been developed). Which is your preferred option for the catch and release of salmon by rod fisheries from those that are set out in Section 6.2: Table 6?

Please select one item
Option 1
Option 2
Ticked Option 3
Option 4
I don't have a preferred option
Please provide details of why you have given this answer.
I am a big advocate or Catch and Release, however I believe there is no benefit to impose this on all rivers. Yes I agree that if a river is deemed to be At Risk then is should be C&R for 5-10 years to help stocks. Should an angler choose to fish such an At Risk river then it is on the understanding that it's C&R. However if the river is not At Risk or PNAR the it should be left for the angler to decide. As one of the younger generation of anglers I'm seeing a big shift in seeing more and more anglers returning fish anyway - voluntarily . We anglers are not always the evil and guilty party that some would have people believe! Most anglers intent on killing fish have packed up fishing anyway to be honest!!!!!

Q6.2b (This questions is for all consultees to answer and is in reference to the answer that you have given to Q6.2a). What are the benefits, if there are any, which you would see from your preferred option for the catch and release of salmon by rod fisheries?

These could be economic as well as social/cultural, please provide details if you are able.
To go down the route of mandatory C&R would: Massively reduce fishing effort, not because anglers always wish to kill fish, but because you cannot keep telling people what to do. It is a pastime of freedom and should be left as untouched as possible. To over regulate the fishing would discourage any new participants to the sport of salmon angling. There is a huge lack of young anglers and how can you honestly state that a child catches a salmon and cannot retain it to take home. That would be wrong.

Q6.2c (We would like to seek all consultees' views on the use of a voluntary (as opposed to mandatory) approach to deliver increased levels of catch and release). Do you agree with using a voluntary approach to deliver improved catch and release of salmon by rod fisheries?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know

Q6.2d (If you answered yes to Q6.2c please answer these questions). Do you support the proposed levels of voluntary catch and release for rivers whose salmon populations are either At Risk, Probably at Risk or Probably Not at Risk (see Section 6.2: Table 6: Option 4)?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know

Q6.2e (If you answered yes to Q6.2c please also answer this question). What are the benefits that you would see in voluntary catch and release?

These could be economic as well as social/cultural, please provide details if you are able.
It's then the anglers decision to retain a fish, should the river support such number. Damaged or bleeding fish can be retained, which does happen. Without voluntary C&R you will never be able to promote the sport of salmon angling or encourage any new blood to the sport. Anglers will vote with their feet, as is happening now. Anglers, even those who don't wish to retain a fish like myself much prefer to fish rivers where should they wish to retain a fish for whatever reason..they can.

Q6.2f (This question is for all consultees). Would you support the voluntary catch and release of all salmon caught (100%) on rivers whose salmon populations are either?

Please select one item
Ticked At Risk
At Risk and Probably at Risk
At Risk, Probably at Risk and Probably Not at Risk
I would not support the voluntary catch and release of all salmon caught
If you wish, please provide us with the reason for your answer.
C&R on rivers At Risk is fine. However if the regulation is taken too far, and imposed on too lower risk rivers it will virtually kill off Salmon fishing. That is of no help to anyone, least of all the salmon species!

Q6.2g (This question is for salmon anglers). Would you stop fishing for salmon if the proposed levels of catch and release were implemented (see Section 6.2: Table 6)?

Please select all that apply
No (I wouldn’t stop fishing whichever option was implemented)
Ticked Yes, if Option 1 was implemented
Yes, if Option 2 was implemented
Yes, if Option 3 was implemented
Yes, if Option 4 was implemented
Please tell us which river(s) you fish for salmon on.
Tyne, Duddon and Leven

Q6.2h (This question is for salmon anglers). Would you consider moving to a river where lower levels of catch and release were required?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for your answer.
I now fish the river Tyne each week.. a 2hour drive each way for this very reason. The two other rivers I fish being the Duddon and Leven are due to them being local. Interestingly the river Leven is 100% C&R and has been for over 10 years. So far it has shown no signs of improvement due to the C&R. The only difference being that it just isn't fished as much. I think controlling methods/hooks and working with angling clubs and anglers is a better approach!

6.3. Possible options for rod fisheries - improving survival of released salmon (voluntary measures)

Q6.3a (This question is for all consultees to answer and is about the best practice recommendations for catch and release). Do you agree with the catch and release best practice recommendations?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes, all of them
Some of them
None of them
I don't know

Q6.3c (This question is for all consultees to answer and is about other ways that you might improve salmon surviving capture). Are there any other catch and release best practice recommendations that you feel should be included?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know
If yes, please provide us with the details of these and your reasons why.
Barbless or flattened barb hooks should be made mandatory - this is sometimes applied by angling clubs, but as such isn't always done. Be easier if it was made law. Treble hooks should be banned, only double and single hooks permitted. Single hooks only on spinner lures such as flying C's as they often cause more damage than fly fishing. More than one hook lures should be banned. e.g. Rapala lures

6.4. Possible options for rod fisheries - improving survival of released salmon (mandatory measures)

Q6.4a (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that having a landing net available to use should be required by byelaw whilst fishing for salmon or sea trout in England and Border Esk?

Please select one item
Yes
Ticked No
I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
Sometimes a grass banking etc submerged in water is a much better option. A net, if fishing alone can be difficult and causes more stress to the fish and lengthens the time it takes to release the fish. A gently beached fish on submerged grass and barbless hook means the fish can be unhooked and released within seconds! Maybe educate anglers not to drag fish ashore... but to be honest you never really see that happen these days.

Q6.4b (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that a landing net used when fishing for salmon and sea trout should be required by byelaw to have a maximum mesh size of 20mm (as measured across the widest point of the stretched mesh)?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know
Please tell us if you think this mesh size should be different from this and why.
However it can be difficult using a small mesh net in fast flowing water! Also you'd need fishing retailers to stock replacement nets to meet new regulations.. as anglers aren't just going to all go out and buy new nets. You have to be realistic. You'd need to work with retailers on this one. Maybe a trade in scheme, where new net mesh could be fitted in store and subsidised?

Q6.4c (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that the use of barbed hooks should be prohibited by byelaw when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know
What would the impact, if any, be for you or your business of prohibiting the use of barbed hooks when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?
Need to be prohibited. Flattened barb or barbless is the way to go. so much easier to release a fish and quicker., and this is me as a very experienced angler talking.

Q6.4d (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that the use of treble hooks should be prohibited by byelaw when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes, all should be banned
Yes, but only large treble hooks greater than size 8 should be banned
No, these should not be banned
I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this view and if you think that large treble hooks of a different size than greater than size 8 should be banned.
No need for treble hooks, they just cause too much damage. But whilst they are still legal they'll be used... get rid of them now.
What would the impact be, if any, for you or your business of prohibiting the use of treble hooks (either completely or only large treble hooks) when fishing for salmon or sea trout with flies, lures or bait?
No impact, and I'd be astounded if anyone can come up with a valid reason why they would cause an impact and should remain!

Q6.4e (This question is for all consultees). Do you consider that the use of circle hooks should be mandatory by byelaw when using worm as bait when fishing for salmon or sea trout?

Please select one item
Ticked Yes
No
I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
I used to fish with worm, but now only fly fish due to the issue of deep hooking fish on a worm. Maybe standard hooks should be permitted up to a certain size, say size 12 or 14 as these are better for encouraging young children to try fishing for trout etc.. If you had to use circle hook for this it wouldn't work. so yes for size 4/6/8/10/12 it must be circle hooks!

Q6.4f (This question is for all consultees). Should there be restriction on the use of Flying ‘Cs’ when fishing for salmon or sea trout?

Please select one item
Yes, Flying ‘Cs’ should be banned
Ticked Yes, Flying ‘Cs’ should only be allowed with single hooks
No, restrictions should not apply to the use of Flying ‘Cs’
I don't know
If you wish, please provide us with your reasons for this answer.
The worst hooking lure. However I'm trying to teach my 6yr old to fish for salmon and this lure provides the easiest way. But they should only have a single hook.

Q6.4g (This question is for all consultees). In your opinion, are there other types of equipment that should be prohibited by byelaw when fishing for salmon and sea trout?

Please select one item
Yes
Ticked No
I don't know

7. Further comments

Q7 (This is for all consultees). Please tell us if you have any further comments that you would like to provide on this consultation.

Please provide your further comments here.
We really need to tackle the issue of predators, mainly in river from birds. I have a small beck in my garden and even this now has Cormorants sitting on my garden fence eating the parr.. and I'm miles from the sea. We need pressure on the government to tackle this issue, irrespective of the bird lobby, as the river's aren't getting chance to recover. The seals - well there is probably not much can be done there. Sadly the main issue must surely be the Salmon farms. The sooner the aquaculture industry moves to closed containment on land the better, but it needs to happen soon otherwise we won't have any salmon and releasing a few rod caught ones won't make a blind bit of difference!!!